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Lawn being decimated by crows

Firstly, apologies for the long message.

I had every intention, once it warms up a bit, of putting moss killer down, scarifying once dead, reseeding patches  etc but then read Ninja Lee's advice on the website about committing to regular watering after seeding so because I'm on a water meter I decided to wait until autumn to deal with the lawn as more chance of rain then.

However in the last 2 weeks crows have taken a liking to what was already a poor lawn.  Without fail, at least twice a day crows are ripping out the moss. Google searching says they are looking for grubs - maybe chafers/leatherjackets and one of the recommendations is to use nematodes to deal with the grubs. This is something I'd seriously consider but searches say the best time to do this is in the autumn.  I appreciate the birds are probably doing me a favour ripping out moss but I'm being left with bare patches which in turn is being replaced with weeds. I thought about just reseeding the bare patches but after watching these birds, I'm thinking that by seeding that I'd just be giving them another free meal and so encouraging them further. 

I now feel in a catch 22 because at the rate the crows are decimating my lawn, I won't have any grass left to treat if I wait until autumn before trying to tackle this problem. They don't touch my back garden lawn at all so there must be grubs attracting them to the front lawn for them to be doing this every day. No-one else in the vicinity is having the bird problem.

Can anyone advice on the best course of action please   do I just bite the bullet and start treating the lawn problems now or wait? It's a large area so I'm also mindful that I could be throwing money away if I tackle it now but either way I need to do something but when/how?

I've attached a photo showing the some of the little blighters in the background. The foreground shows just one small section of lawn where they've ripped out the moss just today but it's the same all over the lawn and not just an isolated area. Only yesterday I hand raked that very section in the photo but it's just as bad today.  Thank you for reading and for any replies.

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Hi @pansy-pants

Don't panic, and please don't feel you're in as much of a catch-22 as it might seem right now. What you're describing is actually a very recognisable situation, and the crows, frustrating as they are to watch, are doing something genuinely useful even if the lawn doesn't look like it right now.

What the Crows Are Actually Doing

Those crows are almost certainly feeding on chafer grubs living in the soil beneath your front lawn. The fact that they're ignoring the back garden entirely is a strong sign that the infestation is concentrated at the front, because crows are remarkably good at locating exactly where the grubs are.

In a way, they're acting as a free biological survey of your lawn, showing you precisely where the problem lies. The grubs they're pulling out and eating are the very things that have been damaging your grass roots from below, so while the surface looks terrible right now, the crow activity is actually reducing the population of the pest that's causing the underlying damage. The lawn looks worse before it looks better, but the crows are on your side, here, even if it doesn't feel that way.

Why Now Is Not the Right Time to Treat

Your instinct to use nematodes is absolutely the right one, but your research has also led you to the correct conclusion about timing. Nematodes need soil temperatures of at least 10-12°C to be active and effective, and applying them now in spring, when the grubs are already maturing and moving deeper in the soil profile, would largely be a waste of money.

The chafer grubs at this stage of the year are approaching the end of their larval cycle and will soon pupate, so they're less vulnerable to nematode treatment and less actively feeding near the surface. You'd be spending money on a treatment that the pest's biology is working against. My full guide to dealing with lawn grubs covers the timing and application in detail. It is worth a read before you buy anything: "Grubs in Lawn: What Are They?" and my leatherjacket guide cover the nematode application process thoroughly, much of which applies equally to chafer grubs.

The Plan I'd Follow

My honest advice is to let the crows do their work for now. They're providing free pest control, and every grub they remove is one less beetle laying eggs in your lawn come summer. Resisting the urge to reseed right now is also wise, exactly as you've suspected, because fresh seed will simply attract more disturbance before the grub activity settles.

Once the crow activity naturally subsides, as the grubs pupate and the adult beetles emerge, you can lightly rake over the disturbed patches and give them a little time to settle. Then, in late August, plan a proper nematode treatment timed for when the new generation of young, vulnerable larvae has just hatched and is feeding near the surface.

That is your golden window, and September is typically ideal across most of the UK. Follow the nematode treatment with your overseeding and scarification programme in Autumn when the soil is still warm, and Autumn rains remove the watering burden you're quite rightly mindful of, given your water meter.

The Full Autumn Plan

Autumn is genuinely the best time to tackle all of this together in one coordinated effort. Nematode treatment in late August to September, followed by moss killer, scarification once the moss is dead, overseeding into the freshly prepared surface, and a light dressing of compost over the seed. That sequence done once properly in Autumn will achieve far more than anything you could do right now in a reactive rush.

These guides will help you plan that programme:

How to Overseed a Lawn | How to Scarify a Lawn | How to Get Leatherjackets Out of Lawns | How to Get Rid of Moss in Your Lawn

Hang in there. The lawn will look rough for a while, but you have a clear plan, and Autumn will be here before you know it.

Lee Garden Ninja

Thank you so much Lee for your comprehensive reply.  You are a mine of information and the gardeners saviour! 

In the meantime, I think I should just chill, pull up a chair with a glass of wine (or 3) and watch the crows who have now been joined by pigeons lol. I will follow your advice in the Autumn. Happy Easter to you.

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Lee Burkhill, known as the Garden Ninja, is an award-winning garden designer and horticulturist with over 30 years of gardening experience and 15 years as a professional garden designer. A qualified RHS (Royal Horticultural Society) professional, Lee specialises in sustainable garden design and practical horticultural advice. He designs and presents on BBC1’s Garden Rescue and in leading gardening publications. Lee combines three decades of hands-on gardening knowledge with professional design qualifications to help gardeners create beautiful, functional outdoor spaces.

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